Frank Mylar for Utah Attorney General

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Well, everybody, we would like to introduce Frank Miller, who is running for attorney general. [00:00:12] Speaker B: And you just got the veterans association nomination. [00:00:16] Speaker C: I did, yes. [00:00:17] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:00:18] Speaker B: And I'm a veteran. I wasn't able to attend that meeting, but, yeah. [00:00:23] Speaker A: I'm so excited to talk to you and I appreciate you being on today. I know you are like smack dab in the middle of a trial. And as a practicing attorney, this has got to be one hell of a tough gig running for office. [00:00:38] Speaker C: I honestly don't think hardly any, anyone's ever done this that's run for any office, is my guess. Certainly not in Utah, certainly not for attorney general. I'm the only one actually practicing law right now, and I'm practicing a little bit more than I want right now. I filed, I filed a 10th Circuit brief last Monday, a week ago Monday, and a US Supreme Court brief on Friday, then started this trial on this Monday. But what most people don't realize in a federal court trial like this is a constitutional law trial. There is numerous motions that lead up to that for the two weeks preceding it. So honestly, I've been over the top, full time, practicing and also trying to campaign. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Well, I'm sure. I was reading your website. [00:01:26] Speaker A: What's this here? [00:01:28] Speaker B: Oh, it's still got. I was reading your website. And so you do take a lot of constitutional law cases. [00:01:35] Speaker C: Most of them, yeah. [00:01:37] Speaker B: And I. I love that. Which is like, I'll bet, um. I'll bet that's a lot of the reason why the veterans went for you, because they believe in the constitution. [00:01:49] Speaker A: To say that near and dear to my heart is law enforcement. And that's something that you too have near and dear to yours, because you're doing a lot of defense of municipalities and law enforcement and civil liberty cases on behalf of our local law enforcement. Isn't that correct? [00:02:09] Speaker C: That's absolutely correct. Not only am I the only candidate that's actually prosecuted criminals, but I've also been involved in law enforcement for quite some years. Twelve years at the AG's office. But then when I went into private practice practice in about 2000, 2001, then I started being asked by the sheriffs to defend them against a number of cases, and it's actually just really blossomed. By God's grace. I am really considered one of the top law enforcement defense attorneys in the state. Sometimes I actually get called by people from other states to help them out on some law enforcement defense suits. So, in fact, I just got a call a few months ago for someone in another state, but. So, yeah, this is something I actively do I know some candidates talk about how they want to meet with the sheriffs and the AG hasn't been meeting with the sheriff's associations. I do all the time. I mean it's already happening. I'm also the only candidate that actually teaches yearly at the Utah Sheriff's association meeting. I've also taught before to the Utah Prosecution Council. So this is a speculation to everyone else, but I'm actually in the trenches fighting, defending police, defending sheriff deputies and defending sheriffs. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Now can I just say though, I don't think that maybe the public thinks something else when they think, oh, you're an attorney who protects police officers, but the truth of the matter is that when actually ever there's a question where a law enforcement officer has to have themselves defended, it's usually because there's an accusation thrown at them or maybe their city or their, their county's not backing them. They're liberties. I mean they're, they're Americans just like you and I and they could be in deep trouble for something that they didn't do or that, you know, is a, it's a judgment of the people rather than by the law and they've got to defend themselves from the media. And I just think, I don't think people realize that an attorney that fights for law enforcement is incredibly valuable to fight for the civilian as well because, you know. [00:04:26] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. And I will say this, that one of the reasons I wanted to work in the AG's office about the first twelve years of my career was you can actually do justice. It is exactly the same with the sheriffs. Once in a long while, and I'm going to tell you it is a long while, but every once in a while we find out that we screwed up every time because they know that I'll fight all the way to trial if we didn't do anything wrong. They respect me when I say, hey sheriff, hey, department corrections. Hey, you know, whoever it is, we did something wrong. We need to make it right and get it resolved. And so it isn't just a defense at all costs, it literally. The sheriffs understand this too. They understand because they're separately elected officials and they know they care about the constitution. I'm talking about the rural sheriffs especially. But I represent everyone except Salt Lake county. And these, a lot of these sheriffs are extremely constitutionally minded and they want to follow the constitution. So when I say, look, we screwed up here, they listen and they go, you're right, let's get this resolved. But on the other hand, as we know, it's maybe a hundred times, 99 times out of 100, they're right. They did everything right, and they shouldn't be blamed for it just because the media likes sensationalism or someone like Sim. [00:05:45] Speaker A: Gill likes to get someone's head. [00:05:49] Speaker B: Well, I think Sim Gill does that for. Because it's popularity amongst his voting base. [00:05:55] Speaker A: Right. And he gets really vicious in his election year. And then, funny, after he's elected, he drops charges. All of a sudden. It's, it's quite amazing how he works. But as far as the AG's office. My goodness. So now you want to be an elected attorney general. What about your practice? What happens? Do you continue to defend our law enforcement agent? Like, who's going to be there for them? Because an AG has to be representing the state and the civilian and the law enforcement. How does that work? [00:06:27] Speaker C: Absolutely. First of all, one of the reasons I'm running for AG is because of all the other constitutional suits I also do, which is relevant to free speech, pro life, defending parents against school districts, these kinds of things. Wanting to kick the DOJ department of justice out of the Davis county school district, these things. I've done these kinds of things before, and I want to do it now. And so I really have a passion and a desire to continue in a more concerted way, representing constitutional rights. But there's also, as an attorney general, a lot of leadership I can give the sheriffs because I already know some of the issues and problems, like with immigration, like with federal overreach. These are things I'm already plugged in to what's going on in these rural areas. And that's why I'm particularly ready to actually assume this role. And so, for instance, there was kind of a rogue attorney, county attorney that Mike Smith in Utah county had a deal with, didn't, didn't believe in the death penalty, was letting criminals off. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Right. We remember he ran for, for attorney general once. [00:07:37] Speaker D: He did. He did. [00:07:38] Speaker C: And I'll tell you this, that it was a real problem because AG's office never stepped in. They should have, because the case that I was defending the county on at the time, he was the one of the plaintiff's attorney, believe it or not, and he never withdrew during the entire time he was in. [00:07:54] Speaker A: That's not even legal. [00:07:55] Speaker C: No, it's not. It's unethical. And, and I actually, you know, took it to trial and we won, but it was just crazy. But that was really only the tip of the iceberg. And so it's really, I know it's frustrating for Mike Smith, you know, trying to say, well, this is what you can do, you know, and this is what we can't do. And it'd be nice if the AG's office gave some leadership here, but they didn't. And so there's a lot of times where an AG can actually help out and say, wait a minute, we need to do something right here. We need to help this process. So I'm convinced that there'll still be some good attorneys. I'm working with one right now, Blake Hamilton, who's helping me out in this trial that I'm in right now, he's been a lifesaver because he's an experienced attorney as well, that defends law enforcement. So I think there's some people that will be able to help in these areas. So I'm not abandoning them, but I'm hoping that this will help, may enable me to help law enforcement more, but also help the citizens more regarding constitutional cases. [00:08:56] Speaker A: So your involvement with rural area sheriffs, especially, you probably have heard the issues then. Federal lands have, like in a county like ours, county like Washington, our federal lands are 80 plus percent owned by the federal government. Our lands are, and this is something that I've asked every ag candidate because we really need to get some of that back. And I was told by a prior governor, Governor Herbert, that we needed the president and we needed the House and the Senate to get our lands back. And I know our current attorney general had put together a case to go before the Supreme Court and, you know, ready to go, but it wasn't, it wasn't all on board with, the state wasn't on board with going for it yet, saying we get one bite at the apple and if we lose there, we could lose our fight. Is that still, is that something that a new ag could come in and change? Do they need the governor's approval on that? [00:10:00] Speaker C: Yes and no. There's a lot that can be done. And I will also tell you this, that attorneys, including the current one, did not have a lot of experience in litigating these kinds of issues before he came to office. So it's all speculation or somebody that tells him what you should do or. But I'm an attorney that's been litigating for over 36 years. I've learned over the years to think outside the box. I'm not constrained by all these things that, oh, well, we can't do it. No, I don't take that. I don't take that as that. I just need to give up and don't do anything. In fact, and again, what I kind of keep saying with every issue on the platform almost, and every issue that my competitors want to bring up, I'm already doing it, or I have done it. And so I'm already helping fight the feds today in a lawsuit against eastern Utah regarding a railroad that is going to hopefully transport waxy crude that's being nickel and dimed by procedure over substance by the District of Columbia court of Appeals trying to empower the lower agency to look at every conceivable hypothetical environmental thing that might be relevant, even though it's not even part of that agency, the service. Oh my gosh. [00:11:15] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:11:16] Speaker C: And so I'm already fighting these issues. I have a plan how I'm going to fight them more, but I'm going to tell you, it is lands. And we need, one, cattle ranchers need to be able to use these lands without what they're doing. They're trying to squeeze them off. Two, we need law enforcement to be able to enforce laws. They're trying to push law enforcement off. And three, we need to be able to recreate on these lands. They're closing them off for that. And so what my point is this, take back step by step. And I want to start saying, no, some of these lands just should outright be Utah lands, not just, we want more control of the feds owning our land. And I think I'm the only one that's ever talked about that thing, mark my words. Another candidate is going to pick it up. But I'm talking about, no, these should be Utah lands. When we became a state and when other states became a state, a lot of times this federal government transferred over those federal ownerships. But they didn't do that in Utah, you know, and some people like to say, well, that was the agreement, you know, blah, blah, blah. No, I don't like to take that for a reason, to not to try that. I think it's a. It's a reason to look at, you know, when we became a state, you know, and those lands were never transferred. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Because we're a sovereign state. [00:12:31] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Isn't that all under the enclave act? I mean, that's just a blatant breach. [00:12:37] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:12:38] Speaker C: And so, so there's a lot of ways I'm also going to look at. I'm going to also have a design with the legislature to say, look, sometimes we need to pass some laws to push the feds out so, so that they're actually creating a good argument again for appeal to make the feds have to sue us after some things that we are doing. And one of them. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:13:02] Speaker C: And one of them would be that we, you know that a sheriff is in charge of law enforcement in every square inch of his county and he's responsible for that. And that means if he has to go on federal land to investigate, he needs to be able to do that. And so do I want to work with the Congress and president? Absolutely. But they didn't get it done when we've had them. Because I ran on this issue back in 2000, Mark shirtless finally agreed to file a suit only because I made it an election issue back then and then, but it didn't really accomplish that much. It's, the fight is getting worse. We're losing. It's not like it's static. And so if you talk to ranchers down there, they're getting pushed off, law enforcement's getting pushed off. So it's time to actually push back with a full court press. Not just wait around for the right lawsuit, not just wait around for a governor. [00:13:53] Speaker A: What about, what about when a sheriff expects the ATF or the FBI who's coming into their county to either make an arrest or do a 06:00 a.m. No knock warrant? What about that type of federal agency having to report to a sheriff before walking in? Because in Utah county, that gentleman could be alive today had they gone to the sheriff. [00:14:14] Speaker C: Yeah, they need to do that. And that's one of the things that I'm going to push for and say, look, you have to, any law enforcement that comes in, you know, the state usually does that because they usually know they have to. Another county does that when they go into another county, you know, to execute a warrant or, you know, arrest somebody. And so it should be the same kind of an arrangement where the sheriff has to know what, what those kinds of things that are going on in his jurisdiction. [00:14:40] Speaker A: You know, Fred Sween asks, what can you do about federal overreach? And that's kind of a broad question. But I think he's talking about the immigration issue. He's talking about the education issue, all the ABC agencies that are, that are encroached in our government. And what's sad is, you know, our, we need someone to fight. [00:15:05] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:15:06] Speaker A: We don't need to play along to get along anymore. I think we're in a place, earlier in the show we talked about people are sick and tired of the norm. We don't, we're done. We're done with the federal government abusing us we're done with them taking our money. But as we just talked with Tina Cannon, it's. [00:15:22] Speaker C: It's. [00:15:23] Speaker A: The state's taking our money, too. [00:15:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:15:26] Speaker A: We have to. We have to get a way to fight for the people. And isn't that who you represent? [00:15:32] Speaker D: Yes. [00:15:33] Speaker A: Or do you represent the government as well? [00:15:35] Speaker C: No, no, I represent the people. When you act like you represent the government, it actually sounds like Hegel, who said, the state is the actualization of the ethical idea, which is from where Nazi is Nazism, was drawn from a lot of things that Hegel had said. [00:15:52] Speaker A: And bring up a quick point on Twitter of a conversation I had with Mikkel, who told on his Twitter feed, the governor should appoint the AG and the governor should appoint the school board, where I then said, well, that's exactly the recipe for tyrannical government. And he argued with me, well, the AG represents the state and represents the government. And I said, no, he represents the people. He represents the businesses. He represents. I mean, basically, you're the attorney general of the state. And then he quickly removed his Twitter feedback. [00:16:27] Speaker D: Yeah, that's. [00:16:28] Speaker C: That's a. [00:16:28] Speaker D: That's. [00:16:29] Speaker C: It's just a terrible grasp of power because it wasn't just the AG, it was also the auditor, which is a very important check that you just had earlier. Yeah. And also the state school board. You don't want to consolidate power. The fact the framers of our constitution, they drew from people like Locke and Hobbes and these people who said, look, this is a social contract to limit government from being oppressive to the citizens. [00:16:55] Speaker A: And checks and balances on government. [00:16:58] Speaker D: Yes. [00:16:58] Speaker C: And they basically came from the approach that it's a necessary evil to have this social contract, but let's keep it in its boundaries. You know, let's not let it spread all these tentacles and take control. And it has unfortunately done that. Federal overreach is an example sometimes of the state not doing what it needs to do, and then the feds just come in like it's a vacuum that's part of the world that I want to lead us out of. Secondly, it's just overreaching in general, like they do on the lands. But thirdly, it's not just the lands. It's like the Department of Justice that's being asked in by somebody. I don't know if it was AG's office or who, but it seems like they were being invited in to take control of those. Davis County School District now. [00:17:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a big one I've heard about. [00:17:41] Speaker A: What is it? [00:17:43] Speaker B: The Department of Justice has taken over the Davis County School district. They had a bullying issue, if I remember, and the. For some reason, someone invited them in and they've taken it over. They're running it. [00:18:00] Speaker A: How's that legal? [00:18:01] Speaker D: How is it. [00:18:01] Speaker C: No, well, it's legal if you don't. If you either one, let them in or two, you don't do anything about it once they come in. Here's. Here's the. Another place that you need to know about is they're trying to come into our state Department of corrections to Department of Justice. They've come up with a ruling regarding transgender surgeries and them being required. Something we have to do now that's contrary to existing 10th circuit court of appeals precedent from where our. Our state is in the 10th Circuit. And I've actually cited that case before in the past, you know, for various reasons, but years ago. But it's still good case law. And so there's a. There's a real problem when the Department of Justice is trying to say what we need to do to our prisons and jails. Well, I mean. [00:18:46] Speaker B: No, our Department of Justice nationally has been doing great lately. I mean, I can't imagine anyone. But wasn't there. Isn't the DOJ trying to come in because a couple weeks ago an inmate cut his own testicles. His own. Yeah. His own wedding tackle off. And so now they're going to drop me for someone who's got a mental problem. [00:19:16] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:19:16] Speaker B: They're going to drop me and upset the whole system because of less than. [00:19:22] Speaker A: 0.01% of everything to the end, like you always say. Let's say that they do get the surgery paid for by the state of Utah taxpayer. And then what? We put them in the female prison with women where they can be abused and violated and impregnated it, depending on some. Whatever they don't have. [00:19:43] Speaker B: I know if I was going to get beat up in the yard, I'd be. I'd much rather be beat up by a whole bunch of girls. [00:19:48] Speaker A: Yeah. What guy wouldn't claim to be a woman? And that turns us into California. And that's nuts. That's nuts. [00:19:56] Speaker C: California, you get to choose by law that was passed there. And any male would want to choose to be in a female prison. Why? Because men and women are actually different. I'm going to go online saying men and women are not the same. If anyone. Yeah. If anyone agrees that women and men and women are the same, go to your state prison and view how many violent felons there are that are male versus violent felons that are female. It's just way out of proportion. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Assault perpetrators are in female prisons versus male, and that's just putting the predator in with the prey. [00:20:36] Speaker B: Well, down at the point of the mountain, the female prison was this little standalone. [00:20:41] Speaker D: Yes. [00:20:41] Speaker B: Box house for forever minimum. Well, the male prison was huge, and the female prison looked like it might have held lawnmowers. [00:20:50] Speaker C: It was so small. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Yeah, but wasn't it New Jersey over the. It was last year, one female inmate impregnated three other female inmates in a New Jersey prison. [00:21:05] Speaker C: Well, I thought that was in California. [00:21:07] Speaker B: No, it was in New Jersey. [00:21:09] Speaker C: Part of our problem with this issue is. Is really checking out our sanity. You know, becoming. It's becoming ludicrous. And this is a. This kind of dovetails into another one of my big issues. I want to have to protect women's bathrooms, especially girls. Schools and sports, with zero exceptions. I don't care if they're on t blockers, really. I mean, it's still a guy, you know? And how many women are girls, especially under 18, are clamoring to get into the men's locker room? [00:21:40] Speaker A: That's something I want to bring up. When we were having an issue, one of our guests was on talking about how Salt Lake county said it was okay for somebody who identifies or looks the way they look to go into the restroom of their choice. And I was saying, okay, I want to protect girls, and I'll see this one all the way through. I want to protect that transition boy that's walking into a man's locker room. That young lady is just as much in danger as the other way around. We. When we stop admitting that men and women are different and that tendency and threat is still there when these little girls. I mean, dads going into a restroom and there's a man in there, that man is in danger. With most of the fathers I know in Utah, that man's in danger. [00:22:30] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [00:22:30] Speaker C: And that's the interesting thing, is it's a thousand to one or more that the. The biological woman that goes into men's, she's. She's in danger from the other men in there. And that thousand to one, at least, or more, the, um. The biological boy that goes into a girl's restroom is endangering the girls. And it's also. I really believe that it's also a religious issue and a privacy issue, and no one's talking about the religious and privacy issues of those girls. They should not. [00:23:00] Speaker A: No one's talking about the girls, period. [00:23:02] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:23:02] Speaker C: And it's. [00:23:03] Speaker A: It's always a trans bill. It's never a pro woman bill or a girl safe bill. It's always about pro trans, which is 0.5%, if even that, of the population. And we are dropping and putting everything to a halt to protect this small group when the majority of young ladies out there aren't getting protection that they deserve. [00:23:26] Speaker D: Yep. Yep. [00:23:28] Speaker C: Absolutely. And, you know, the thing that troubles me is that there is some exceptions in the bills that we have. I think they were not given guidance by the AG's office most of the time, the AGs, and I'm including the last several because I worked for three of them, starting with Wilkinson, Van Damme, Jan Graham. Then there was Mark Shirley. I didn't work for him. And then there was John Swallow. I didn't work for him. And Shannon Reyes. I didn't work for him. But none of those guys or at the legislature saying, hey, this is what we need to do. But guess what? I actually do go to the legislature free of charge. I don't charge Facebook because they're not my client. I've gone there as a private citizen, and often it's because Gail Ruzico or eagle forum or something says, hey, frank, this is an important constitutional bill. Can you come down and help out on it? And I try to rearrange my schedule, literally, and come down to help fight for or against bills. And this is something the AG's office, the attorney general, should care about. These enough to do research, understand where the law is, and weigh in on it. And that's just being. None of the other candidates are even talking about that again, because they don't have the experience that I do of actually going down to the AG's office. I mean, down to the legislature. [00:24:41] Speaker A: You have. You have. It's, again, it's the media, who is the fourth branch of government right now. And, and right now, we have got, if we switch gears a little bit along with these social. You've got the social. Well, they used to be called disorders, and that's actually, you know what, five years ago that it was body dysmorphic disorder. And now all of us have to not only accept it, but we got to play along. And at the danger of potentially young girls. [00:25:12] Speaker B: Well, it's more than play along. They want us to honor it. Worship it. [00:25:15] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:25:16] Speaker A: And my question is, like, right now, the look of Utah is that we are a sanctuary state, and or at least Salt Lake City is a sanctuary city, even though the governor came out and said we are not. However, the fact that we have got a lot of migrants moving in here. A lot. And I don't know what the governor knows and what he doesn't know, but I do know the governor from New York sent him on a plane. [00:25:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Salt Lake City airport. And they are coming in and our homeless population is rising. And that comes, the violence is rising. Salt Lake City is not the city it used to be even 15 years ago. Crime is happening. Our police officers are in more danger. Our police officers hands are tied. Their hands are tied at the jails. And we're doing this all under the guides that of this insanity instead of. We're paying money to protect other countries borders. [00:26:19] Speaker D: Yes. [00:26:19] Speaker A: We're not even protecting our own. How can you as an ag, because I know the ag ken past and he's highly engaged in Texas, but that's a border state. What can you do as an ag in Utah to demand that we are sovereign and we protect our borders? That ice has to come in and take these people or they're going to stay in our jails. And the state government isn't going to get in your way because you do work to protect us, the citizen. [00:26:49] Speaker D: Yes. Yeah. [00:26:49] Speaker C: And this is, I think, another huge distinction I'm on since I'm in the trenches on these field in these issues. I've actually worked with the immigration Law Institute and people like this in the past, again, free of charge. But I actually have a plan here, rid of this. And I will take it to the legislature as soon as I get the republican nomination. If I get 60% at the convention, I am the republican candidate. But I know that one person is going to pay for signatures. I'm not. I'm a convention only candidate. And, but if once I get that nomination, either through a primary or getting the 60% at the convention, because even if I get 60% at the convention, people, listeners need to understand I still face a primary if someone buys the votes. And so if they buy the signatures, I'm stuck with a primary anyway. And so, but once I get past that, like June 26, I'm going to ask to meet with the legislature and I've got the plan I'm going to unfold and it's going to include the de facto sanctuary state that we have. Because the feds did try to denominate us ice as a sanctuary state. They did for a short period of time. They withdrew it. But we are de facto. Why? Because we're not stopping it. And so they're dumping people here willy nilly. I'll go to the legislature and say, look, let's make this a felony to aid or abet or transport or conspire to bring anyone into the, or to pay for anyone coming into the state of Utah that's an illegal alien and make it a felony. Do you know how many pilots are going to fly here? How many? [00:28:17] Speaker A: I'm worried, Frank, that one of the reasons, though, that I've heard in the past, and it's been a few years, but that the Mormon church was helping bring a lot in and they were sponsoring and watching over, would that collide at all? Because churches, not just Mormons but Catholics, I mean, they're bringing them in. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Yeah, the Catholic. [00:28:40] Speaker C: This is what I want people to understand. And there may be, it's not the first time where goodness is misguided. And what I want to just show them is this has been an issue since I was in my first year of college back in 1980. It was the national debate topic for all colleges all across the country was the border crisis. Can you believe it? But I can't. I still remember those statistics in my head about these kinds of people that were crossing because they were the pros and cons argument. Right? A lot of the people that were crossing were going back or sending money back to their families. It's a radically different situation now. It's not economic, it's terrorists, it's people from China, it's people from the Middle east and Africa, and a large part aren't even Mexico. But when they go through Mexico, they get extorted and sometimes tortured, sometimes killed, abused. This is the greatest evil in terms of invasion. And so Biden is basically saying, let's kill this country by what he's doing because he is even like ten times worse than Obama. I'm serious. [00:29:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:29:57] Speaker C: Worse than Obama 2.0. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Well, he's, he's ten times worse. Obama technically deported a lot of people. Obama's rhetoric also made him have to deport a lot of people, but it made him sound good. [00:30:13] Speaker A: So, Frank, do you back Donald Trump then? [00:30:16] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. You know, I think the thing is here is that, and I want to stretch out to everyone because I know that there are some people might be listening that might not be favorable to Trump. I just want to let them know this one. I'm an attorney. I'm a career attorney, 36 years. And I, and I also work with alliance defending freedom. They have said, and this is a non political statement, they have said that Trump in his appointees, not just the US Supreme Court, but in the circuit courts, of appeal that Trump change the face of the 9th Circuit, the most reversed in the country to the point where you can actually potentially win a religious freedom case now in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. You couldn't do that before Trump. And so, you know, not only that. [00:31:02] Speaker A: Though, frank, that all those appointments where he filled all those judges, where he did all of that, like, in the first couple years, that made place it so Roe v. Wade could be changed, that made it so police officers actually could get a fair trial in some places or an appeal not in everywhere. But it literally gave us hope. And even though we went, like, down so terribly, those appointments still are there in effect today and they still can be there to help us. [00:31:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:31:35] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:31:35] Speaker A: And I hope that Trump, when he gets in, I hope we have a number 50 ags that are ready to implement policy that's ready to go day one. Because here's the deal. This is the first time in history that the border has been a top issue for Democrats and Republicans. [00:31:54] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [00:31:54] Speaker A: And it happened over the last few months. [00:31:57] Speaker C: And the thing that does concern me, honestly, is I think that it's easy for attorney general candidates to jump on board with what important, what people care about that they listen to. And this is why I keep harping on this so much, that actions speak louder than words. If these issues were really all that important to the other candidates, why haven't they done anything about them? I mean, there's a lot you can do. Like I said, I work with the Immigration Law Institute. I've worked with alliance defending freedom. That actually is one of the biggest, biggest organizations in the country that defends our liberties, constitutional rights. I've also, even apart from them, I've done that kind of a thing on my own. And so, you know that if the reason I say my motto, my campaign is trusted experience because, yes, I have a lot more experience than anyone else. One candidate has significantly more than the other two because the other two have slim to none in terms of legal experience. But what I will say is this, is that it's trusted experience because I've already been fighting these issues. So why can you trust Frank to be pro life? Well, I can name off a whole bunch of things that I've done for pro life in terms of defending, you know, sidewalk counselors in front of an abortion clinic from criminal prosecutions. So I actually have criminal defense experience, you know, helping out pro life Utah, helping out pregnancy resource centers all the time, you know, and meeting with a woman who's about to give an abortion from pro life, Utah who and meeting with her and she changes her mind after I'm able to meet with them, you know, so there, I mean, it's, and then finally, finally I filed a brief in support of our pro life law last year before it was argued for the Supreme Court last September. And so I like to say, you know what I'm going to do. And if you have any question, go to adflegal.org, comma, tell people to go alliance defending freedom, adflegal.org. And just look at that organization. I'm an honor guard attorney with them because I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours vindicating people's constitutional rights without charging them a dime. And I think that's where you really show your true colors. Are you interested in money or power? You know, lobby's group, you know, backing you. Is the governor Cox backing you? You know, these kinds of things, you know, or do you really care about these issues because you care enough about them that you're not going to charge somebody to help vindicate these rights? [00:34:24] Speaker A: So that doesn't, I mean, what kind of lawyer spends all that money to get his degree only to do all this charitable work? What are you crazy? Are you crazy, Frank? [00:34:34] Speaker C: Well, people ask me that, but I will tell you this. That one, I actually am not all about money. I do read my Bible daily and there is a lot it says about the love of money. You can actually read that a lot. [00:34:50] Speaker B: That is true. [00:34:52] Speaker C: And there is a lot saying about giving to God and things like this and that God gives us what we need. And some of the work that I have, like defending sheriffs, that pays enough for me to help my five kids get through college. And I don't need to be a billionaire. You know, I could make a lot more money if I didn't defend sheriffs if I was just in private practice and if I didn't take all these free cases. But one thing I can say is when I actually do get, I know I'm going to get paid by the sheriffs, which is nice. It's a nice relief. But it also helps fund me being able to help other people. And there's actually a myriad of ways I help people. I often help abused women get protective orders for free. And I will say this every, and I've been doing this for decades. Every time I help, I've always actually, every woman I've helped get a protective order has always got it granted. So, yeah, someone will say, well, some of these are frivolous, right? Well, not the ones I have, they're not frivolous. They get granted because it's actually a big thing. And our courts are not doing very well at helping abused women and children. I have to say. It's just, and yes, someone might be listening. Well, sometimes. Isn't the woman abusive? Yeah, it's about a thousand to one. Again, though, I've actually dealt, I've actually represented some men that were actually abused. But it's, again, it's way in disparity, you know, and it's something that the courts really don't handle very well. They have jaded attitudes, and it's really a difficult thing. And so I've helped a lot of women in those situations, either free of charge or very low cost because they can't afford it. [00:36:34] Speaker A: Frank, can you, can you tell me why prosecutors right now are choosing not to prosecute criminals, like, what is happening in these blue cities and states where they're, they're letting criminals out only to hurt their citizenry? I don't understand it. [00:36:55] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:36:55] Speaker C: If you're looking at, like, New York, Chicago and San Francisco and Seattle, I'm. [00:36:58] Speaker A: Looking at Salt Lake City. [00:37:00] Speaker C: And now we can also include Salt Lake. More and more into that. They're derogating their duties. They're believing the lie, it's a credible lie that somehow prosecuting crime is racist. Well, you know what? I don't think that those people that say that really care at all about racism, because I would say, I would throw it back in their own lap. I'd say, prosecutor, have you ever prosecuted, have you ever taken a case to vindicate racial discrimination? I actually have, yes. It does happen. I've actually brought, I've vindicated people's rights in racial discrimination. These attorneys that sit in their ivory tower and these mayors, because they're almost always liberal mayors in these big cities, including Salt Lake, they don't really care about racism. They don't care about any of these things. All this politics is what, it's virtue signaling. [00:37:50] Speaker A: And yet it doesn't matter your race, when you let these violent criminals out. They hurt people of their own race, other races. So if it's about race, protect the neighborhoods these people are being released in, and that's horrendous. So we have a few comments. Do we have you until six? [00:38:09] Speaker C: Well, you know what? I think I have to leave before then, but I think at least another half hour. [00:38:16] Speaker B: Okay, perfect. [00:38:17] Speaker A: I didn't know if we needed to rush you. Jared's been showing your website and also that, that one you were just showing. [00:38:25] Speaker B: Afl the AFL.org dot. [00:38:29] Speaker A: That's impressive. [00:38:30] Speaker B: Yeah, that, that's a, that one. That alliance. Adf.org defending freedom. [00:38:36] Speaker D: Yes. [00:38:36] Speaker B: Yep. It's adflegal.org. And again, there's a hot link right to it in the show notes. They've got a lot of stuff here. It says 15 supreme court victories. That's not a small number. [00:38:51] Speaker C: No. [00:38:52] Speaker B: Yeah. 80% win rate, 30 plus years defending rights, and over 4500 network attorneys. [00:39:02] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:39:03] Speaker C: And that was this. [00:39:04] Speaker A: For somebody who might have had their free speech violated or their parental rights and they need help, is this the place that they go to or what is this? [00:39:13] Speaker C: It is, it absolutely is. And I'm basically the boots on the ground person in Utah to handle these things. Sometimes it's a letter to a college or a high school. Just recently it was to a high school discriminating against a conservative religious club, you know, and things like that. And because these, these principals believe the lies and so, or sometimes they believe it themselves because that's who they are and they think, oh, no, no, we can't have anything religious or. No, no, we can't have anything conservative. It might offend somebody. No, no, that's just garbage. And sometimes it's a letter that we have to send like that to, you know, to get them to reverse their policies on these. [00:39:48] Speaker D: So. [00:39:48] Speaker C: But it's for everything. There's parental rights, there's religious freedom, you name it. They're fighting for girls and women's sports on the, on the lower levels as well as collegiate level. I was going to file a suit with them against the university in Utah before COVID hit and COVID hit and knocked out all the sports. And then, and then Utah did pass the law, you know, and so then they went, you know, with some other litigation that they had. [00:40:13] Speaker A: So is that, I mean, with stuff like that, you got something for dad rights, too? Because I know men in Utah have struggled a lot with getting some custodial rights of their kids, and it's been really weird. Some states, it's pretty 50 50, but it's, it's a little extra hard. I know a few people, great dads. [00:40:33] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:40:33] Speaker A: That have had to fight tooth and nail, and I don't even know where to send them. [00:40:37] Speaker C: So this is another thing. I used to handle a decent percentage of custody cases. And yes, I also did represent men sometimes, but I'm always picky. I'm very picky with the issue of divorce. I'm very picky with DCFS cases, parental rights cases. I don't want to represent the abuser. Honestly, I always want to represent the good woman or the good man in these. And I've gotten custody for men in cases of their, you know, once they're three children, and I've defeated protective orders that were bogus. So again, some of them are bogus. [00:41:12] Speaker A: That's a whole other issue. DCfs as a whole. And we've had this come up a few times where, like the DOJ, they're overstepping and they're actually profiting from overstepping and they're stealing your children from you, or hospitals are stealing your children from you because they don't agree with the way you're treating them. I want to get some comments here before we get too far ahead. So what is your opinion on the republican party in Utah, and do you think the Republican Party actually stands for the principles it claims to? That's from O'Malley May. [00:41:49] Speaker C: Well, so that's a very broad question. I will say this, that back in the 1990s, I was the chair of the young Republicans, and I was just as conservative then as I am now. Maybe I'm getting more conservative, I don't know. But I think I was actually just as conservative. And I was part of the group that was part of the constitutional bylaws committee. I was the chair of it that actually got through the requirement that you have to read the platform and you have to sign the platform if you're a candidate. That didn't exist before. I was pushed that through back in the nineties. And so, and that just makes sense. [00:42:20] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:42:20] Speaker C: And so that was a step to try to deal, I think, was what that questioner was talking about. This is a constant battle. And I will say that we have to be more vigilant than ever. You know, I understand why people sometimes say, I'm abandoning the Republican Party. I'm not going to do that. I might be one of the last persons standing before I have to abandon chip. But I'm going to keep fighting to keep us conservative, keep us caring about the constitutional values, because honestly, our state and our country depend on it. We're in a, in a teetering position right now. You know, I feel like there's a lot of states I feel so sorry for people in, in eastern California, Washington and Oregon, you know, but they voted for these. No, they didn't. Not in the east. Not in the eastern parts of those days. [00:43:11] Speaker B: The east and the north, they're victims. [00:43:15] Speaker C: They're controlled by, like California, all of eastern, often a lot of eastern California, eastern Washington, eastern Oregon. I used to live in eastern Washington. So I know for a fact they're trying to. [00:43:25] Speaker A: Right. [00:43:26] Speaker C: They just data blows them all away. They can never get around the fact that Seattle's population center blows away the entire state of Washington. [00:43:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And Portland in Oregon. And I've seen them trying to secede into Idaho, which was very interesting. She also asked, did you take any cases during COVID against the vaccine mandates? And I'm curious about this because I know of some law enforcement officers that were voluntold they had to get that vaccine. And I'm wondering about a lot of companies that required mandates. The government didn't have to do one mandate. They let the companies all do it to the people and the citizens. And we're seeing rapid cancers and we're seeing these different illnesses. Have you yet had any cases involving the COVID mandates? [00:44:23] Speaker C: Yeah, and like I said, almost any issue you want to bring up, I've probably already handled it. And this is why I'm running for attorney general. But where was our attorney general during COVID you know, Alito from the US Supreme Court toured the country and said it's the biggest retraction of our civil liberties that he's seen in his entire lifetime. And yet where was our attorney general? He was mum. You didn't hear anything out of him. And there's nothing out of the other candidates. They didn't do it. They didn't lift a finger to fight this. But guess what? People called me. Churches called me, christian schools, religious schools called me and said, frank, can we meet? And I said, yes, you can. One, first amendment, religious expression and religious freedom. And two, you're not a place of public accommodation. You're a public, you're private and you do not have to worry about this law. And then secondly, the alliance defending freedom called me up and said, frank, can you help us get, because people want religious exemptions and we need more help. And so I help people all over the country get religious exemptions to the vaccine because they were in these healthcare companies. And let me tell you this, everyone in these healthcare companies, some of them are Fortune 500 companies that have a number of employees that never see a patient. And one of them actually worked at home and he telecommuted and they still said, nope, sorry, Biden's mandate, you have to get this. And then they had like ACLU attorneys that I literally had to fight against and say, nope, you're not answering this. You're not answering this. I don't care. You don't give them your pastor's name you don't give them your church's address. You don't have to give them any of that nonsense. And by God's grace, everyone I helped get an exemption got it. Including my daughter. Including my daughter, who's a nurse at primary children's Hospital. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Outstanding. What's your thoughts on the ACLU? It seems like the ACLU actually stood for civil liberties up until 2016. And they've lost 2016. [00:46:18] Speaker A: I think we lost them well before then. [00:46:20] Speaker C: We lost them about 40 years ago, I think. [00:46:22] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:46:23] Speaker B: Well, I don't know. I mean, the ACLU fought to. Not that I support the. The nazi party of the US marching through Indiana, but they fought to let him do it in the eighties. [00:46:36] Speaker C: Well, here's an issue that is relevant today, because Mike Lee brought it up about FISA, the ability for the federal government, FBI to listen in on our text, emails, and phone calls. Again, unlike my candidates that I'm running against, I fought this issue back then, and I'll tell you this. The ACLU was sitting next to me in a senate hearing that was a judiciary committee, and it was chaired by Senator Hatch. This is what, right after 911, remember when we wanted to pass all these laws to fight terrorism? And I again cited Benjamin Franklin, that if you give up, you know, if you give up our essential liberty for safety and security, you will get neither. And I. And I also pointed out that, you know, this isn't, you know, we don't want an overreaction against citizens. You know, this should be against terrorists. This should be against. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Right. [00:47:28] Speaker C: You know, not. [00:47:29] Speaker A: Not terrorism is an idea. It's not a. Necessarily a person. It's an idea. So how do you protect yourself from an idea? You've got to profile people. You've got to see people in their homes, land and see what they're doing over there. [00:47:44] Speaker D: Yep. [00:47:45] Speaker A: With this, though, I mean, with the COVID stuff. Stuff. I'm surprised there's not been more personal lawsuits or, you know, criminal charges against, like, Fauci and this man made virus that was paid for by the United States. [00:48:02] Speaker B: People are too busy fighting for their lives in a hospital. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Okay? They want to know if Governor Cox is endorsing you, which I don't think. [00:48:10] Speaker B: No, he's endorsing Brown, isn't he? [00:48:14] Speaker C: He endorsed Brown before anyone had announced they were running, which is irresponsible, because I'll tell you that Governor Cox has more legal experience than Derrick Brown. That is absurd. He hasn't really practiced much in Utah. Very, very, very little. He claims he practiced with Mike Lee. He was a new attorney in Washington, DC. He was in the same law firm as Mike Lee. Mike Lee has way more litigation experience than Derrick Brown, yet he was basically the deputy personnel director for Mike Lee. He worked for also Bennett, you know, so I don't know why he doesn't mention, oh, actually, I worked for Senator Bennett and I worked for Senator Hatch, then I ran for the legislature, then I was a lobbyist, then I worked for Lee, then I was a state party chair, then I was a lobbyist. And so, honestly, it's a little insulting to me that two of the candidates, one's not even licensed in Utah, would actually say, I'm running for attorney general, as if legal experience means nothing to them. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Can I just ask you who, give us some ideas of who is endorsing you? [00:49:19] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah. [00:49:20] Speaker C: There's a lot, and I'll tell you this, since I'm unfortunately practicing law full time, I don't have much time to do anything. I have raised enough funds and I could raise a lot more if I had the time. But I've actually done reasonably well. I have enough for the convention and more than enough for the convention. But I've got Mitch Villos, who's a Seminole gun rights guru in Utah, wrote the book Utah gun laws. [00:49:43] Speaker B: All right, so you win. You're done. You don't have to continue. You're good. [00:49:47] Speaker C: Well, I got a lot more. [00:49:48] Speaker B: I mean, not that I'm a gun. [00:49:50] Speaker A: Supporter, but he's got more. [00:49:52] Speaker C: So I've got. I've also got Mike Ferris, who is one of the top constitutional litigators in the country. He started homeschool Legal Defense association back in 1983 when it wasn't legal to homeschool in most states, including Utah. And he then went to there to the alliance defending Freedom. As the president and CEO of that organization, he helped author some of the Texas AG's opinions. So he has endorsed my campaign. But there's also a number of people, like, there's american moms, there's a number of sheriffs, which sheriffs? It's actually. I'm getting letters from them, so I'm gonna. [00:50:32] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:32] Speaker C: Too Willa county, actually, Paul Wimmer's been fantastic. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Paul Wimmer highly appreciates, and he has said this publicly. And so I don't think I'm breaking any rules for you, but our own sheriff has actually said that you have helped so many, so many different, in so many different ways with the sheriff association and that you're well trusted and really a good guy. And I think Paul's endorsement goes a long way with the people. [00:51:01] Speaker B: It goes forever with me. Paul is outstanding. Outstanding. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Paul is one of those sheriffs that is constitutional based. And during the lockdowns and all of that, I just remember him standing up to our board of health and to our county commission saying, my deputies will not be arresting or separating or dealing with masks or everything. This event is outside. We're not showing up to this. If there's a problem, call us. But it better not be anyone starting the problem because these people aren't wearing masks, for crying out loud. [00:51:35] Speaker C: And I'm telling you that people like Sheriff Paul Wimmer, that's just such a breath of fresh air. They don't realize you don't have that in Salt Lake County. I know a friend that works with youth and they had an event in their parking lot trying to put, you know, this is in Salt Lake City. They're trying to deal with some of these ridiculous requirements. The police broke them up and said, you can't be here. That's the police. Because the police work for the mayor. So, and this is true in all cities all over the country. But when you have. It was a refreshing time when my, my sons and I went, we do a yearly motorcycle ride. And we, as we cruise through rural Utah, it was awesome to see, wow, nobody's doing this mask claim, you know, and they're just saying, they're saying, hey, we're green, you know, we don't have any incidents. You know, we have hardly any or something like that. And the sheriffs were really on board with this. Some of them, and I can't remember the ones that did this. Some of them caught the state officials double or triple counting people as being different people with COVID only because they would retest. So if they retest three or four times, they go up. There's four new right there, and there's. [00:52:50] Speaker A: More money from the federal government into our coffers. [00:52:52] Speaker D: Yep. [00:52:53] Speaker A: That's ridiculous. So I want to talk about Governor Cox. One of our viewers, O'Malley, is asking what your opinion is of Governor Cox. I mean, you are running for an office and you know, he very well. You do you. I don't want to tell you, but I'm sure you have some opinions. [00:53:13] Speaker C: It's a hard thing to unseat a governor or a senator. It's extremely difficult. You have to be atrocious, usually. And so I probably would have to work with him, which is even more important why I think this election, it makes it even more important why? Because we need an independent voice. We don't want to need someone that's lock stock with the governor on every issue, especially when he doesn't have legal experience. So he doesn't have the ability to stand back and say, wait a minute, this is what the law requires. And so the thing that did very much upset me with Governor Cox a couple years ago when he vetoed the women's sports bill. I just thought that out of line, you know, this is an important bill. We should not be playing political correctness in Utah. We are supposedly a conservative state, but honestly, my daughter went to school in Florida, and I feel like Florida is way more conservative than Utah in practice. You know, we actually have people that are very conservative, more conservative than Florida, but somehow they lose their minds or something when they get elected and they steer toward these weird middle ruts that are pushing you liberal. [00:54:27] Speaker B: It's weird. It feels like Cox did that he got steered toward the, like the ultra center ground. And I think DeSantis because, because he ran against a crackhead weirdo and then got the endorsement of Trump and then had ideas on the presidency, he stood himself further right than I think he naturally is. [00:54:53] Speaker C: Well, I'll say this, that I will say this, that I wouldn't want to take away anything from DeSantis in his own right, you know? [00:55:02] Speaker B: Oh, I'm not. [00:55:03] Speaker C: Because I was. Because I think he was rock solid conservative in Florida, and I think that. But I think that it's just not his time to run. And he wisely said, okay, I'm. I'm going out and I'm endorsing Trump. And I think that was the wise thing to do. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Definitely. [00:55:18] Speaker C: But he. [00:55:19] Speaker B: I'm just looking at his. [00:55:21] Speaker A: He's talking about when DeSantis first was. [00:55:23] Speaker B: Short record, his short record in Congress. Not that. I mean, he was a junior congressman, so he didn't make the headlines a lot, but he wasn't a. He wasn't a hardcore conservative pusher there. [00:55:37] Speaker C: Yeah, that could be. [00:55:38] Speaker B: I think because of his election. And he saw. This is what works. [00:55:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:44] Speaker B: It drove him further. Right. Which I think is a good thing. And I give him kudos for recognizing that. [00:55:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:51] Speaker A: When, when we saw him speak at convention. At the state convention. And this was. This is two years ago. [00:56:01] Speaker B: No. Was it two years ago? [00:56:03] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So when Carson Jorgensen brought him in and DeSantis was brought in, and I just remember, and having met Christy Noem and heard her speak, and she was on a stage with Mike Lee talking about how every single week during the COVID start of that to stop the spread. She's on a whole bunch of Zoom calls with all these governors in all these states, and they're talking about how they're going to shut down. And she's like, I'm sitting here with my entire staff and all these attorneys, and I'm trying to tell them, show me in the constitution where I have the right to shut any business down, to shut schools down. And she said week after week after week, it became less and less governors on the call. They'd shut down. And to the point where she was the only one that didn't shut down. And then when we listened to DeSantis give his speech, I thought immediately adonomy, if we had 50 governors like him, the federal government would be done. They would be done. [00:57:04] Speaker C: Honestly, one of the things that I think is important that he. I think it's important that he stay as governor right now, because the way he's changed Florida is unbelievable. And. And the way he let out and saying parents are in charge of where their kids wear masks and fighting the feds on those, trying to over regulate it, trying to take lunch money away from kids, you know? But he stood, you know, stood firm on those. And. And unfortunately, like I said here, you had these extremes. You had. You had California, New York, and then you had Florida. No different instances in Florida. And yet they kept the businesses open. [00:57:39] Speaker B: Yep. [00:57:40] Speaker C: And everyone went bankrupt in New York and California. And honestly, I feel like we, as Utah, we were too leaning. You know, we weren't exactly in the middle, but we were leaning, I think, too much toward repression. When we started loosening, finally. But, you know, we overreacted. [00:57:59] Speaker B: Our governor definitely did. And I think that's. Cause our governor. What we need to do is we need to take the capital and move it out of Salt Lake City. We need to put it. I honestly think keep. We need to move it, like, into Provo. [00:58:12] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:13] Speaker B: Where you can get a mix. Because I think that's what corrected the governor, because, remember, he was trying to put out, uh, whether you're, uh. What is it? A consequential worker, whatever. Worker. [00:58:26] Speaker A: And you're talking about Governor Herbert. [00:58:28] Speaker B: No, it's Cox. [00:58:29] Speaker D: Cox. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Cox. Yes. [00:58:32] Speaker C: I think it was Herbert. [00:58:35] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah. And. [00:58:37] Speaker B: And, yeah. Herbert tried putting that out. [00:58:39] Speaker D: He did. [00:58:39] Speaker B: And when it got out to us rural people, he said, because I would have been listed as one. The rural scream, they said, what is this, b's? [00:58:48] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:48] Speaker B: He said no, and that's what shut him down. So I think it's. [00:58:52] Speaker C: Because. [00:58:53] Speaker B: I think. I think it's because the governor is situated there and he's just got a sea of blue morons in every direction around him. [00:59:03] Speaker C: So that's all he knows. Press people, you know, the press is so liberal, and people listen to the press and they think that's where everyone is. So when they're holding up their finger to see where the wind's blowing, it's the press that's blowing it. And shout out to Brian shot. [00:59:18] Speaker B: Good to see you. He mentions this once in a while. He's the one who gave us our name. [00:59:24] Speaker D: Awesome. [00:59:25] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:59:25] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a gem. A gem amongst other slightly better gems. [00:59:33] Speaker A: The thing that I noticed, though, is, is for us, we believe local control is the most important and it has the most control over our lives. And I'm looking at your resume, I'm really impressed. [00:59:48] Speaker D: Thanks. [00:59:48] Speaker A: I'm impressed that you do this because you love people, obviously, because I don't know very many attorneys that do so much for free and for cause. I know that religious liberty is highly important and what people forget is that the constitution says nothing about a separation between church and state. [01:00:10] Speaker D: Right. [01:00:11] Speaker A: Yet we've allowed. We've allowed them to eliminate God and the Bible and everything from schools. And you can't pray in school and all over a letter written regarding the question. It's not in the constitution and people don't understand that. But we haven't fought back. And now you see these pro life people trying to give counsel to women outside of the clinic and they're getting arrested and they're serving time like they're looking at ten years. And in some states, well, I actually. [01:00:41] Speaker C: Was able to vindicate mine and so they. We got off, you know, but it was a completely bogus prosecution from beginning to end by a liberal mayor and liberal police. [01:00:51] Speaker A: Is that in Utah, though? [01:00:52] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:00:53] Speaker C: I defended pro life sidewalk counselors in Salt Lake City who are being criminally prosecuted for exercising the First Amendment rights. And so I actually have had that case and by God's grace, it went. It went to trial and we won. [01:01:06] Speaker A: Great. And so my question is, how many. How many states are you able to practice in? And if you practice, if you're the Aga of Utah, are you able to practice in DC in front of the supreme court, or is that require something different? [01:01:20] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:01:21] Speaker C: Only one other candidate is actually licensed to practice before the US Supreme Court, but I think I'm the only candidate that's ever filed as counsel of record. That means that you are the attorney that's in charge of the brief, writing the brief and submitting the brief. And so that's a big difference, is if you have four or five or six attorneys on it and your name's on it, too. I don't know what that means, but I will say that I file a lot of briefs. I filed a brief in favor of the hobby lobby case in front of defense of marriage, defending counselors in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals against laws that prevented religious counselors from counseling minors about sexual confusion. And so these things, I kind of just do them honestly, a lot of these, I mean, if you google me, I tell Google all the candidates, just see what you find. Now, if you Google, like, get a fine attorney, Google Westlaw and Lexus. Tell. Find an attorney and say, hey, will you Google these four candidates and tell me what comes up? Print out what comes up. You'll see a huge stack of my cases. You'll see a little bit of Rachel's terrace, because she's actually done some significant work. And I give that to her. She worked about six and a half years in the AG's office. I worked twelve years in the AG's office. You'll find zero to none of the other two. It's ridiculous. And it's like, okay, they're going to be an attorney general. And that's where I'm really going to encourage listeners, do not just listen to rhetoric. These candidates are attorneys. They're smart, they speak well, and they're going to tell you what you'll want to hear. That's why I say actions speak louder than words. Look at the actions of what they've actually done without getting paid. [01:03:05] Speaker A: I'm telling you right now that people are so pissed off with what's happening in our government that I think that I hope people will see through it, uh, if they. It is disingenuous. And there is a big difference. I know there's so many jokes about politicians, so many jokes about attorneys. You just write your own jokes at this point. But some of you are politicians and some of you are attorneys in this race. And so I think I recognize that right away with, with Rachel and, and with you. I just, I know that there's, I think Rachel's biggest, first thing she said to us on the show was, I'm not looking to be famous. I'm not. Not looking to get all this praise and stuff. I want to get to work. I respect that a lot. I respect someone working and living their life by their principles. Living the principles. That's. And there's extraordinary candidates in this race. And I have to stay neutral, of course. But I have enjoyed, I've really enjoyed getting to know each of you because you become Utah's top cop and, and having a law enforcement family and knowing the value of having at least somebody to stand for you when the media is all over you and now society is all over you and they're having riots in the streets over something you had nothing to do with. And people I know and love are getting physically injured by these rioters of the summer of love 2020 and then Sim gills letting them out the same, no revolving door, all in. [01:04:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:04:39] Speaker A: I don't think people realize when law enforcement doesn't have protection from the state. I get it. There's bad cops, there's bad nurses, there's bad priests. Everybody has something bad. Yeah, but when your law enforcement doesn't have the backing of their state, it's a terrifying place to live because law enforcement won't show up for you if no one's showing up for them. And that's just go to Baltimore. [01:05:07] Speaker D: Yes. [01:05:08] Speaker C: And what I want the listeners to really take a note of is that all of the attorney candidates are going to say that they're going to defend law enforcement. But I am literally the only one that's actually defended sheriffs and police chiefs. And one of the great examples you bring up the riots and stuff in Salt Lake. Look at that. What happened in Cottonwood Heights, where you have a conservative, excellent police chief, Robby Russo, who's endorsed my campaign also, by the way, I didn't finish my endorsements, but that's okay. [01:05:39] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we got time. Finish the story and then get back to it. [01:05:44] Speaker C: But in any event, he wouldn't stand for that nonsense. He arrested people. He took them in, they assaulted, they threw urine and stuff on police officers. They assaulted him and he made arrests. And he, you know, put cop cars down there and said, you're not passing here. You're not going into these neighborhoods. You know, and so honestly, kudos to someone like that. But he also knew I was defending him and that I would be, you know, fighting these.